I mean you guys love to tout that you give everyone a chance and that anyone can try their hand at this exceptional business opportunity. It appears to be common for recruits to produce unverifiable claims about making substantial amounts of money in WFG. I ask her to help me tie my tie again. What concerns me more is discovering a lawsuit accusing Arbonne of being a pyramid scheme. The general consensus I got was that from the people who quit is that the business can work, you just have to be willing to change yourself. Are you registered as an LLC, S-Corp or other official designation? But it smelled fishy from the start. Mainly; they push "recruit recruit recruit" and "build your brand" ideas and it just feels like they believe getting more people is more important than offering their service. Listen, there is no scam. Might you have been persuaded by a friend or family to join World Financial Group? They hear all the big promises of success and wealth and they think that it will just fall on their lap. You may be motivated into purchasing office space for expanding your business, which again makes you a recruiter for the secondary tools. I have provided facts where applicable along with sources for your convenience. We have a system built in that can effectively lead you to be successful within the industry. Life insurance with a cash value is, at best, a mediocre way to invest money and at worst, a terrible mistake, especially if you haven't exhausted contributing money to retirement accounts. Notice that this recount states "The last "business meeting" I went to, there was a woman giving a presentation on how to convince people to make only minimum mortgage payments, re-leverage their home in some cases, and stick all of the money in whichever one of their partners mutual funds they were pushing at the time." Ok so you actually joined up, so did you face any complications regarding leaving? Our chairs sit us in front of a projector aimed at the wall. The truth about the company is that most people who join will not achieve the level of success they expect. World financial group scamis the headline you may have seen recently. For the record, WFG is not a pyramid scheme, no matter how close it may resemble , it is not. These "tools" may be encouraged to be purchased with cash, specifically so that the money may go unreported. Anyway, a little background about myself. “There is a cult-like "us-vs-them" attitude in the group. list of the names of these companies? Really? What does World Financial Group do? Ok so apparently i will need to send a letter of resignation to WFG? Perhaps simply being a warm body is good enough for something... Something that exists within the organization that benefits a select few. Nobody ever got paid well for working in it. I introduced "friends" into this cult and now his whole family is sucked in. For anyone reading this thread looking to understand the bigger picture see this rebuttal, I suggest expanding the deleted comments as there are some interesting rebuttals and examples of the fanatical support from those involved. Members are instructed to cease contact with those who are against "the business".” I do not know where he got this from, but that is totally untrue and I need to defend WFG in this matter. - hypothetical. You have an inkling that it's a bad idea, which is why you came here. Sounds like your brother joined WFG aka World Financial Group. Insurance companies make money! I walk in and am greeted by a receptionist who takes my name and asks me to sit down in a class room full of people who look as confused and guarded as I do. That is enough to place in the top 200 list of delinquent taxpayers in the state of California. When you join this company, we understand that you are looking to change your current Life because the majority of people in this world is looking for something better than what they have currently (career, job, employer), whatever it may be, please consider my points before jumping into conclusions based on others’ opinions. I felt as if there was even a possibility of making a couple extra bucks spending my spare time helping others then it was a win - win. You won't find books on this particular organization but you can find applicable information by researching MLMs in general. One of the ladies in our office put her kid through College with a IUL. An internal message from ex-Amway VP Ken McDonald describes a strategy where it is suggested to "provide very soon, for all those who qualified Emeralds and above who want it their own personal homepage so we will have tons of positive Amway information on the web." Check out this internal training guide, specifically the last page that states "The Four Wheels Needed to Run Your Business". We aim to empower job seekers and employees through the promotion of their best interests, advice and encouragement. Unbelievable! There are many, but this one is particularly interesting: The SEC alleges that the five registered representatives, who worked for World Group Securities Inc., paid themselves high commissions on both the subprime mortgages and the securities purchases. The services are summarised into three areas: 1. My lady shows up, they know each other from previous and begin the small talk. This is important because many of the leaders in WFG were previously aligned with WMA. He could have talked to one of the bad apples out there, and we all know that there are bad apples in every single major business there is, am I right? For example, this individual who makes 250k and retired both of her parents and this guy who makes a million dollars. Upon initial posting of information against WFG, I experienced the following. Yes i did pay the $125 "cover charge" AMA so you're welcome to call me an idiot but please offer some constructive criticism as well, thanks! But he makes middle 6-figures. I'm looking at you, Primerica. Some of the investors did not speak English fluently or at all. According to The Bishop Company LLC Report: Under current law, indexed products are state regulated and do not require a securities license to sell. Life insurance that combines life insurance protection with an account that has cash value is usually known as universal, whole, or variable life. The important thing to notice when going through the information above is the pattern. And it's not difficult to get your license, You'll them be encouraged to sell a quite poor product to friends and family. That being said, we are all independent contractors. We're on Facebook and partied together every now and then but it was more coincidence when we did. Protection 3. Do you want to work where you are now for the rest of your life? So how subpar and overpriced are their services? -hypothetical. I was told that through the FIUL I would be investing and getting life insurance. Consider that each person that you introduce to the product front is now a recruit for the secondary tool business in addition to everything else. That sounds really absurd. That's kinda what made me set aside my initial skepticism and try it out. Unfortunately for me and others, i've read about it was too late. I was skeptical about paying for leads, but it works! He sighs and drops the paper on his desk, leans forward and says "you know, I'm not sure if you have what it takes." This leads them to swear off the whole company as a scam. However, the MLM structure may facilitate groups wherein racketeer influence may abound. After I got off the phone and did some research I found out WFG is a scam and pyramid scheme company. I actually wanted to buy their energy drink (the sample tasted pretty good) but you are forced to buy a 32-pack from the sales associate. To invest directly in the S&P 500 is a great way to loose what you invested. My Name is Bobby Tudor I am employee of Gonernemt of Canada Ministy of Finance, I am not hard to find I have been scammed 110 k $ by WFG, money stolen it is a pyramid scheme that promotes 15-20 H / day work and advices employees you if your husband will … If anyone would like to continue this talk in a calm and rational manner, I would love to address some of the problems that anyone may have regarding the company or its business practices. It seems like most of the posters here have had only superficial experiences with the company. and now even more time looking for uncertain facts to back you up". Press J to jump to the feed. It's apparent that something about this content bothers a few individuals enough to create new accounts and attempt to discredit me with offensive remarks. See if you can notice a similarity when this WFG proponent makes the following statement in this very thread: "I'm a little disappointed that no one who is part of the business has given a real reply to this, except for the guy spazzing in caps which I'm not even convinced isn't a planted shill to make WFG look bad. I have received PM's in response to this very post describing situations where the upline leases an expensive car to a new recruit. So if you want to make a decent living you'll need to recruit a large amount of people to sell a quite poor product to their friends and family. These types of incidents are corroborated by reports given in the xwma archives. I think people should be aware of this. If you believe this response from a self proclaimed WFG agent in this very thread to be authentic: "He could have talked to one of the bad apples out there, and we all know that there are bad apples in every single major business there is, am I right? my mom is into WFG and she goes to all the conferences. But being biased doesn't necessarily mean my points are wrong. Concerning false income claims, you can take a look at the FINRA disclosure for WMA (The precursor to WFG) by visiting this link and typing in 32625 for the FIRM CRD#. The event was a bit odd for an outsider, e.g. i feel like she has been brainwashed. So im nervous about trying to cut and run. You better explain to me why you think it's at all okay to waste my time." Next, click to view the detailed report. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the PersonalFinanceCanada community, Continue browsing in r/PersonalFinanceCanada, Press J to jump to the feed. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Correct, recruits are usually licensed to sell insurance which has qualifications that vary by state, which does not require an advanced degree. We need to be licensed to conduct business and we are regulated by government agencies. One of the members mentioned he had stopped talking to his parents and dropped out of medical school in order to pursue a life in "business". There are many reports claiming that these "successful brokers" are actually broke (see: xwma.org reports). This is often referred to as "Fake it till you make it" and has been cited as being a motto used within WFG in this thread. Here is another agent's point of view, /u/toolbocisascam sent me the following rebuttal (grammar retained) via PM: Toolboc, Stop using old information about WFG to try to discredit a great company. Were you sold insurance policies on your children? Like I said before, I did my own research before I decided to join WFG, I was skeptical also. Unfortunately, you will find these groups change their names often and pop up just about everywhere all the time due to the fact that they are always encouraging recruiting. I suggest you do a little research on WFG. (Every agent I ever asked told me they had one) Is this by design? Those trips they boast about? Run away as fast as you can. Are you satisfied with working for someone else and making their dreams come true, instead of yours? Notice some of the suggestions "Attend BIG EVENTS and BOOT CAMP trainings to learn the A-Z of your business" and "Read books, listen to CDs, attend Seminars to improve your skills". I am going to conclude with a few things. Our company requires us to be licensed by the State we live in in order to deal with people’s finances. Leveraging warm market and personal contacts. It's so feel good, talking about insurance and protecting the middle class while becoming wealthy by selling insurance plans. I'm gonna message him, see if he got out. I strongly urge that if something does not feel right to ask the right questions. Anyone who is familiar with the subject probably has a good idea regarding the questions i'm going to ask here. Verdict: Legit, But the market is Quite Tough. Read about them here, forward the link to all non-Amway people you know, so they don't get scammed, and encourage them to do the same. I imagine that it's pretty hard to deceive educated people. Brian goes on to talk about taking insurance classes to become a broker with the company. First off, I have been with WFG for almost 6 months now. IT'S A BUSINESS!! Their financial "knowledge" is plagiarized and regurgitated info from other sources. Correct, WFG is backed by Aegon and Transamerica. Take note of the scenario described in the section titled "the Ugly", it states "While a poorly designed and poorly disclosed IUL product may perform badly for some policyholders, when it is combined with a premium finance strategy, it can produce truly ugly consequences. Someone brainwashed him about the dream. About a year ago, a friend of mine calls me up really randomly. Probably not. I knew something was up and did a bit of investigation. This has been cited in various MLMs and may explain the scenario of the aforementioned CEO MD. I read that one person claimed to have lost his life savings to the group and successfully sued but was unable to describe details as part of the settlement agreement. (Update 6/5/2015) : Regarding the homeowner, I found the 17 year WFG CEO MD level individual holds a $334,000 IRS lien from 2008. Anyone fortunate enough to be employed by a legitimate company will typically have insurance offered by the provider. If you don't make money you close. | Stealth Secrets The problem is that this type of insurance is very expensive. They made it seem like I was the right guy for the job. Very cool of you to share this, thankfully I've never heard of them before but if anyone I know mentions them now I'll know to warn them. “A pyramid scheme is a business model that recruits members via a promise of payments or services for enrolling others into the scheme, rather than supplying investments or sale of products.” Agents promise a dream and a lifestyle and hype people up that they’re going to make lots of money. I will say that it let's people know that the company is not a scam or a pyramid scheme. In addition, the following quote taken from USNews.com may be useful If you are being pitched a whole life or universal life policy from any provider: "Life insurance is a tool, not an investment. Outside of these examples, you may find interesting modifications in the edit history on the Wikipedia Page for WFG. There's no good reason to get involved in this nonsense. The vast majority of people lose money in pyramid schemes — which the FTC defines as … World Financial Group, Inc. (WFG) is a financial services marketing company whose affiliates offer a broad array of financial products and services. And the sad truth is that most people aren't willing. Of course, being part of the company, I am biased. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a231RLKyfPw. Overall Rating: 6 Out Of 10. It may also be relevant to take a look at this Forbes article regarding Universal Life Policyholders - Retirement Disaster Looms For Universal Life Policyholders. On the front line of the lobbying effort to secure an exemption were three lawyers who had previously held high-level positions at the FTC: Timothy Muris and J. Howard Beales, both working on behalf of Primerica Financial Services; and Joan Bernstein, who represents Amway’s North American unit. He will be selling insurance only after he passes the a test to do so. I hate it to use the few bad apples rebuttal, but it really is true. Retirement Members were encouraged to cease contact with those who are against "the business". I'm not sure why they told you it was $800. It won't. Unlike MLM, Pyramid Schemes Have Only One Purpose. Williams and Associates and Primerica Financial Services Info. Cut your 125$ loss and run. Brian has an assistant, a short girl with big eyes and frazzled red-hair everywhere. I'm sure there are some legitimate concerns, but competing companies have been known to masquerade as unbiased reviewers to discredit the company. I have gone to WFG conventions, events, and all the training. WFG works with 85 different companies including 3 of the major banks in Canada who I’m sure did their due diligence. and like an adult, I drove off. Critics of the $28.5 billion industry—which also includes Avon, Herbalife, and Tupperware—say that’s because of intense lobbying. They may not be paid for in full by the company. It deals in many products such as life insurance, mutual funds, and mortgages. A suit steps in a room, introduces himself as Brian, the director. how can i get her out? He makes his way to the front walking all cool and calm. - hypothetical. I immediately quit the company within 24 hours of paying the fee. These points are based on my PRIMARY source, what that means is I, personally, have experienced with the people from WFG, Transamerica, Nationwide, and even VOYA (so far). The company sells a variety of insurance products but it seems like the only thing I was ever pitched, and other reports confirm was the FIUL policy (Indexed Universal Life). According to Wikipedia, World Financial Group (WFG) is a … The entire purpose of MLM is to move product. We need proper education in Life insurance and other products we associate with in order to work. The theory behind the business seems solid (from my uneducated viewpoint) keep overhead low by not opening offices and only paying people based on productivity not pay a salary. Events, Boot Camps, Books, CDs, and Seminars. If you are curious in learning more about complaints regarding WMA (the precursor to WFG) this RIPOFF report contains a vast amount of information. Primerica may be seen as a rival / scapegoat to WFG as they are a similar MLM but tend to focus on selling Term life insurance policies and investing the difference. "Oh my god" I said out loud "they fucking got you" I tell him about what happened 5 years ago, he seems distant and almost in disbelief. The things I have learned so far have completely opened up my mind about everything. 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